Phone conversation with Dr. Bruce Cornet on May 30, 1995 concerning polarized photon beams.

An edited phone conversation with Dr. Bruce Cornet on May 30th 1995 concerning the concept of POLARIZED PHOTON BEAMS, mentioned in his letter of "defense" for Dr. John Mack of March 11, 1995. (Note: "SJ" Steven Vincent Johnson, "BC" Dr. Bruce Cornet.)

SJ: I wasn't quite sure I understood what you meant by "polarized magnetic photon beams." Could you give a more detailed explanation of what this effect is?

BC: [It's] The beam of energy that I detected coming out of the ground, with a proton magnetometer. First off, it was magnetic because I could detect it with a proton magnetometer. Secondly, it was polarized because the configuration I was using was... is called a gradeometer configuration. It's two sensors about eight feet apart and the instrument determines the difference between them as a function of a gradient.

SJ: OK.

BC: And, thus, it's basically a polarization tool so that based on the orientation of the axis that connects those two sensors you detect only what's between... in line with that axis so that when you rotate the bar that connects the two, or rotate the axis, you change, you go into other, you pick up other orientations of the magnetic field. Now, a magnetic field is changes... has a pattern to it. ...of greater or lesser values around you in different proportions. Then by changing the orientation of that instrument you can detect that variation. In the case of this beam of energy I oriented the axis between the two sensors in three different directions. Basically north- south which is... was a perpendicular, called perpendicular, was called parallel and vertical. And what I found is that I got different readings. Significantly different measurements in each one. When I showed this to a physicist he said, well, you should have gotten exactly the same measurements in all three if it was not polarized. And he said it's probably a form of... a light that is magnetic. In other words it's a light wave that has... is beginning to take on a form that it has a magnetic signature. A very strong magnetic signature.

SJ: There's a frequency in it that's not within the visible range?

BC: Right. Well, the fact that it's polarized means that you would not be able to see it. You'd only be able to see it with a polarized filter.

SJ: Well, I worked at the University of Wisconsin [Space Astronomy Laboratory] back in the Mid 80s on the Wisconsin Ultraviolet Photopolarimeter Experiment, WUPPE, [A Space Shuttle project that has flown in space a couple of times] and that was ultraviolet so we couldn't see that [with our eyes]. But I'm only a lay person. I don't have the [scientific] knowledge. I worked on ground support [computer] equipment at the time.

BC: Well this is what the physicist said. I questioned him. I said, you mean, the light beam would appear invisible? And he said yes because it was polarized.

SJ: Because it's so specific. It's not diffused?

BC: And, people have seen beams of light coming out of the ground in that area. I don't know if they were coming from that specific transmitter. I suspect that there are others. On nights when there was some sort of a magnetic field that caused the beam of energy to become unpolarized, and then suddenly you can see the beam of light. Now, that is circumstantial evidence that would support this interpretation. Also, plants around one of the transmitters, all suddenly, very fast growing weeds. Suddenly, they started turning and growing back down towards the ground.

SJ: Where they are getting their light? [From under the ground]

BC: They growing back down towards the light. And so I've just used this physicist's explanation for it as a polarized magnetic photo beam.

SJ: It would almost seem like if you were in the proper position you ought to be able to see the light.

BC: I'm not sure. It depends... This is where the wavelength may be high enough that it is not within the visible range.

SJ: Ultraviolet maybe. Which would not be good to view [with our eyes].

BC: And so, the problem, once again, gets into the area of exactly what is it that we are dealing with. I was surprised that he [the physicist] wanted to make... said that it was, you know, photon energy. But he said, that it's basically [an] extremely high high wave length energy up near the end of the spectrum.

SJ: I'll try to describe what you've just told me.

BC: Just say that the physicist said that it's magnetic because it can be picked up by the proton magnetometer.

SJ: OK.

BC: And that it is polarized because when the polarization... when the instrument which was configured to detect polarized magnetic fields, when it was oriented in different directions it picked up different polarized patterns of signals coming from the transmitter. And it was probably a photon beam. [It] just basically means that it was extremely high wavelength energy form. The question was also asked by somebody: Well how far below the ground was it? And the answer is we don't know. It could have been miles below the ground. We don't suspect it was probably more than a thousand feet or so.

SJ: How could those kinds of [photon] rays go through that much ground?

BC: That's the point. The kind of wavelength that was being used would just pass right through. I mean, the earth would be transparent to it.

SJ: Really? Because My understanding of light, particularly visible light and ultraviolet light is that that most solid objects would stop them.

BC: Well that's true, but you see, normal light is only very weakly magnetic. I mean, you would have to have an extremely sensitive instrument. Even more sensitive than a magnetometer to pick it up.

SJ: OK.

BC: And when the wave form, the energy form or the particle form is changed so that it is highly magnetic it becomes... it changes its properties. You can say it's really a different animal because it doesn't really behave like normal light.


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